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		<title>By: 学习</title>
		<link>http://oblivion1938.com/archives/516/comment-page-1#comment-24020</link>
		<dc:creator>学习</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 03:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>老师啊，说得太好了，还好我才吃半年的药。要不然我死定了，我真的好伤心变成这样。

我杀人的，“中共”太冷血了。</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>老师啊，说得太好了，还好我才吃半年的药。要不然我死定了，我真的好伤心变成这样。</p>
<p>我杀人的，“中共”太冷血了。</p>
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		<title>By: 李智良</title>
		<link>http://oblivion1938.com/archives/516/comment-page-1#comment-23736</link>
		<dc:creator>李智良</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 06:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>宗哲

我的書／書會／訪問的經驗是這樣的：大家沒能力、「知識」去理解精神科藥物對服用者的殘害，只會同情的眼光，但是同情太容易、太廉價

醫生的操守問題、醫藥保險業的利益動機、輸送，病院裡的不人道處境，就是體制的暴力和論述權之巨大，大家沒有親歷、也沒很意識，只能「抽象」理解，而我像一張跳線的唱片不停播放也只是一個人，好像聽了我說說，就可以放心回家了

所謂精神病患羣體，它的劃分、形成與管理都是醫療機構和所謂「社會工作」、「康復工作」組識所壟斷的，他們都是體制的一部份、或其肢體

因此很多人對自己或家人的「病」的根本理解，很難有精神科以外的參考
即使有，立即遇到的處境是，沒有別的選擇。因為別的選擇、和實質條件上與想法上的資源早被切斷了，長期服藥不單是身體上的藥物依賴，而是人的整個生活被醫療體制中介，變成受控制的制度依賴者

我覺得很可恨
可是我愈嘗試用理性語言、用數據、用見過和發生在自己的身上的例子去講，「故事」聽完了，還是那普遍的無力感、「無辦法的...」的說法不停反彈過來。醫生繼續每天從早到晚隨便處方這些天煞的精神科藥物</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>宗哲</p>
<p>我的書／書會／訪問的經驗是這樣的：大家沒能力、「知識」去理解精神科藥物對服用者的殘害，只會同情的眼光，但是同情太容易、太廉價</p>
<p>醫生的操守問題、醫藥保險業的利益動機、輸送，病院裡的不人道處境，就是體制的暴力和論述權之巨大，大家沒有親歷、也沒很意識，只能「抽象」理解，而我像一張跳線的唱片不停播放也只是一個人，好像聽了我說說，就可以放心回家了</p>
<p>所謂精神病患羣體，它的劃分、形成與管理都是醫療機構和所謂「社會工作」、「康復工作」組識所壟斷的，他們都是體制的一部份、或其肢體</p>
<p>因此很多人對自己或家人的「病」的根本理解，很難有精神科以外的參考<br />
即使有，立即遇到的處境是，沒有別的選擇。因為別的選擇、和實質條件上與想法上的資源早被切斷了，長期服藥不單是身體上的藥物依賴，而是人的整個生活被醫療體制中介，變成受控制的制度依賴者</p>
<p>我覺得很可恨<br />
可是我愈嘗試用理性語言、用數據、用見過和發生在自己的身上的例子去講，「故事」聽完了，還是那普遍的無力感、「無辦法的&#8230;」的說法不停反彈過來。醫生繼續每天從早到晚隨便處方這些天煞的精神科藥物</p>
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		<title>By: 宗哲</title>
		<link>http://oblivion1938.com/archives/516/comment-page-1#comment-23734</link>
		<dc:creator>宗哲</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 06:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>看了您的文章有許多感觸
要讓更多人知道這樣的事情</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>看了您的文章有許多感觸<br />
要讓更多人知道這樣的事情</p>
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		<title>By: 李智良</title>
		<link>http://oblivion1938.com/archives/516/comment-page-1#comment-23715</link>
		<dc:creator>李智良</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 02:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>黑黑 ,

my site is public since day one</description>
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<p>my site is public since day one</p>
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		<title>By: 黑黑</title>
		<link>http://oblivion1938.com/archives/516/comment-page-1#comment-23711</link>
		<dc:creator>黑黑</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think the problems we read on news of the serious &#039;mentally disordered&#039; recently may worsen the situation, bringing even more control and segregation to the &#039;psychiatric disordered&#039; ?

seems there&#039;s a need to gather ppl working on this field who share the same thought with you so that it can move on with a more healthy and natural way...

would you mind if i share your site to one of my friend who is a psychotherapist, i know she&#039;s doing quite a lot on something like your first suggestions, and also many others regarding ways of living....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think the problems we read on news of the serious &#8216;mentally disordered&#8217; recently may worsen the situation, bringing even more control and segregation to the &#8216;psychiatric disordered&#8217; ?</p>
<p>seems there&#8217;s a need to gather ppl working on this field who share the same thought with you so that it can move on with a more healthy and natural way&#8230;</p>
<p>would you mind if i share your site to one of my friend who is a psychotherapist, i know she&#8217;s doing quite a lot on something like your first suggestions, and also many others regarding ways of living&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: © 李智良</title>
		<link>http://oblivion1938.com/archives/516/comment-page-1#comment-23690</link>
		<dc:creator>© 李智良</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 04:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>黑黑,

the quick answer &amp; in principle:

re-structure your life, because it is yours and no one deserve drugging and being an addict dependent on the psychiatric system. no one

we can always work on 2 ends: 
1) heal your body by reducing all the harms you did to it... your body is capable of healing if it is given the right condition

2) do what you truely want to do in life... not doing so seems to be the major source of distress

-----

there are many ways out there. we thought there is none because psychiatry monopolize both the &quot;knowledge&quot; and &quot;know-how&quot; of the field. In fact it defines the field and everything is included in it as it strive to expand. pharmaceutical companies has a huge interest in pushing their drugs as the only way to treat &quot;psychiatric illness&quot; - (go check GSK&#039;s yearbook for shareholders and you will see, over a hundred kinds of psychiatric drugs pending for patent each year) 

&quot;psychiatirc illness&quot; are a set of labels for management and control of people - (they call it diagnosis but there is nothing like a clinical diagnoistic tests but talking session, DSM is not based on statistics as its title suggests, it is written by &quot;specialists&quot; half of them work for pharmaceutical companies or insurance companies)

the distress and vairous bodily manefests of the extreme mental state is something else, it needs not follow the psychiatric distinctions in my opinion - life has ups and downs, the thing is how do we land

the human spieces has lived without psychiatry for thousands of years... there must be ways

if you are insomiac, treat the insomnia... if you are distressed, treat the distress... treat the thing, not an &quot;mental illness&quot;

there are nuturitional appraoches, because many &quot;mental illness&quot; symtomps are actually manefest of environmental intoxication, defeciency of certain vital minerals, or vitamins

most of the ADHD are largely such a case... if only the child is brought to a medical doctor (內科) instead, the child will be treated very differently

because environmental toxin such as paint on furniture and paint for drawings, and all petrolum derived products can cause agitation and poor concentration, etc

a child is being sent for accessment for ADHD largely because s/he is disobedient
it is a classroom mangament problem
there is no &quot;problem&quot; in the child, can you see my point?

so treat the classroom management problem
not the &quot;illness&quot;
our educattors are now sending the children to take drug because they can&#039;t solve the classroom mangament problem themselves
children diagnoised as ADHD are given dangerous drugs such as Ritalin

likewise, nerveousness, so called &quot;depression,&quot; &quot;anxiety,&quot; &quot;panic&quot; etc can also be intervened in ways OTHER THAN psychiatric drugs

chinese herbal medicine, excercise, diet change, spa, community-oriented health care programmes will all help

i came across some material here
http://www.ethanallen.org/publications/specialreports/VSH.pdf

read esp p12 onwards, it describes a number of EXISTING community programmes that are much more abling and cost effective than insured psychiatric services provided in centralised hospitals

the thing is: people are sent to hospitals at their most critical and vulnerable moment...they should have been offered help and assistance long time ago

the drugs given to them never heal anything, but contains them, making them an addict even MORE prone to relapses

they are found in a miserable state doesn&#039;t warrant the use of brain disabling drugs and coersive enforcement, imprisonment and electro shock on them

they could have been healthy in the very first place, but they are neglected and given the worst kind of &quot;treatment&quot; which is in fact torture and diciplinary punishment

it is a fundamental human right issue
disguised and explained away as an medical issue

imagine there is not a ban on electro-shock yet! it is still practiced in hk
imagine lee chi leung is being held down by 3 male nurses and restrained with bandage by 5 points on a hopital bed because he is crying and emotional

if we think of the whole issue NOT as a &quot;mental health&quot; problem which is monopolize by psychiatry, but think about it in terms of well being, you will see that psychiatry is really a big business... because what is otherwise considered as life choice, livelihood, well being issues is radically &quot;medicalised&quot; as an illness

its whole claims on bio-chemestry is but a hoax to sell its drugs

i speak of all these in my experience, observation and research... i would suggest no one to take any psychiatric drugs

there must be ways, the problem is whether we are committed to find them

the doctors are never more knowledgeable than us
they concerns very different things rather than healing
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>黑黑,</p>
<p>the quick answer &#038; in principle:</p>
<p>re-structure your life, because it is yours and no one deserve drugging and being an addict dependent on the psychiatric system. no one</p>
<p>we can always work on 2 ends:<br />
1) heal your body by reducing all the harms you did to it&#8230; your body is capable of healing if it is given the right condition</p>
<p>2) do what you truely want to do in life&#8230; not doing so seems to be the major source of distress</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>there are many ways out there. we thought there is none because psychiatry monopolize both the &#8220;knowledge&#8221; and &#8220;know-how&#8221; of the field. In fact it defines the field and everything is included in it as it strive to expand. pharmaceutical companies has a huge interest in pushing their drugs as the only way to treat &#8220;psychiatric illness&#8221; &#8211; (go check GSK&#8217;s yearbook for shareholders and you will see, over a hundred kinds of psychiatric drugs pending for patent each year) </p>
<p>&#8220;psychiatirc illness&#8221; are a set of labels for management and control of people &#8211; (they call it diagnosis but there is nothing like a clinical diagnoistic tests but talking session, DSM is not based on statistics as its title suggests, it is written by &#8220;specialists&#8221; half of them work for pharmaceutical companies or insurance companies)</p>
<p>the distress and vairous bodily manefests of the extreme mental state is something else, it needs not follow the psychiatric distinctions in my opinion &#8211; life has ups and downs, the thing is how do we land</p>
<p>the human spieces has lived without psychiatry for thousands of years&#8230; there must be ways</p>
<p>if you are insomiac, treat the insomnia&#8230; if you are distressed, treat the distress&#8230; treat the thing, not an &#8220;mental illness&#8221;</p>
<p>there are nuturitional appraoches, because many &#8220;mental illness&#8221; symtomps are actually manefest of environmental intoxication, defeciency of certain vital minerals, or vitamins</p>
<p>most of the ADHD are largely such a case&#8230; if only the child is brought to a medical doctor (內科) instead, the child will be treated very differently</p>
<p>because environmental toxin such as paint on furniture and paint for drawings, and all petrolum derived products can cause agitation and poor concentration, etc</p>
<p>a child is being sent for accessment for ADHD largely because s/he is disobedient<br />
it is a classroom mangament problem<br />
there is no &#8220;problem&#8221; in the child, can you see my point?</p>
<p>so treat the classroom management problem<br />
not the &#8220;illness&#8221;<br />
our educattors are now sending the children to take drug because they can&#8217;t solve the classroom mangament problem themselves<br />
children diagnoised as ADHD are given dangerous drugs such as Ritalin</p>
<p>likewise, nerveousness, so called &#8220;depression,&#8221; &#8220;anxiety,&#8221; &#8220;panic&#8221; etc can also be intervened in ways OTHER THAN psychiatric drugs</p>
<p>chinese herbal medicine, excercise, diet change, spa, community-oriented health care programmes will all help</p>
<p>i came across some material here<br />
<a href="http://www.ethanallen.org/publications/specialreports/VSH.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ethanallen.org/publications/specialreports/VSH.pdf</a></p>
<p>read esp p12 onwards, it describes a number of EXISTING community programmes that are much more abling and cost effective than insured psychiatric services provided in centralised hospitals</p>
<p>the thing is: people are sent to hospitals at their most critical and vulnerable moment&#8230;they should have been offered help and assistance long time ago</p>
<p>the drugs given to them never heal anything, but contains them, making them an addict even MORE prone to relapses</p>
<p>they are found in a miserable state doesn&#8217;t warrant the use of brain disabling drugs and coersive enforcement, imprisonment and electro shock on them</p>
<p>they could have been healthy in the very first place, but they are neglected and given the worst kind of &#8220;treatment&#8221; which is in fact torture and diciplinary punishment</p>
<p>it is a fundamental human right issue<br />
disguised and explained away as an medical issue</p>
<p>imagine there is not a ban on electro-shock yet! it is still practiced in hk<br />
imagine lee chi leung is being held down by 3 male nurses and restrained with bandage by 5 points on a hopital bed because he is crying and emotional</p>
<p>if we think of the whole issue NOT as a &#8220;mental health&#8221; problem which is monopolize by psychiatry, but think about it in terms of well being, you will see that psychiatry is really a big business&#8230; because what is otherwise considered as life choice, livelihood, well being issues is radically &#8220;medicalised&#8221; as an illness</p>
<p>its whole claims on bio-chemestry is but a hoax to sell its drugs</p>
<p>i speak of all these in my experience, observation and research&#8230; i would suggest no one to take any psychiatric drugs</p>
<p>there must be ways, the problem is whether we are committed to find them</p>
<p>the doctors are never more knowledgeable than us<br />
they concerns very different things rather than healing</p>
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		<title>By: 黑黑</title>
		<link>http://oblivion1938.com/archives/516/comment-page-1#comment-23688</link>
		<dc:creator>黑黑</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:29:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chileung, any other way out except medical/ physical treatment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chileung, any other way out except medical/ physical treatment?</p>
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		<title>By: 李智良</title>
		<link>http://oblivion1938.com/archives/516/comment-page-1#comment-23686</link>
		<dc:creator>李智良</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>joey

注明出處，不用來賣錢就得啦！</description>
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<p>注明出處，不用來賣錢就得啦！</p>
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		<title>By: Joey</title>
		<link>http://oblivion1938.com/archives/516/comment-page-1#comment-23685</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 09:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>可否讓我轉載這一篇，讓我的服務對象與同學們了解Lithium的真面目？</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>可否讓我轉載這一篇，讓我的服務對象與同學們了解Lithium的真面目？</p>
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